Liz Moody Transcript

 Liz Moody Transcript

Kerry Diamond:
Hi, everyone. You are listening to Radio Cherry Bombe, and I'm your host Kerry Diamond, coming to you from Rockefeller Center in the heart of New York City. Today's guest is the perfect person to help us kick-off 2022. As Liz Moody says in her Instagram profile, she's all about helping you live your healthiest, happiest life. She's not only one of my favorite wellness advocates, but Liz is someone whose content I really admire and find useful, so am very excited to talk to her as we start this new year. Liz Moody is the host of the Healthier Together podcast and the author of two cookbooks. She was the food director at the website, MindBodyGreen, and she has written articles for Glamor, Marie Claire, Goop, and Vogue. She also creates uplifting content for her own website and social media accounts. Liz is relatable, fun, and forthright, whether she's talking about body image, her struggles with anxiety, or her beloved smoothies and meal prep. In just a moment, we're going to chat about all of those things, plus what Liz means when she says we all need real connections in today's world.

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It's been a little quiet at Cherry Bombe HQ. We took a break for the holidays, but we're getting back into the groove. We're working on a lot of cool things for the year ahead, so be sure to subscribe to our newsletter over at cherrybombe.com, this way you won't miss a single thing. Now let's chat with today's guest. Liz Moody, welcome to Radio Cherry Bombe.

Liz Moody:
Thank you. It is such an honor to be here, I'm such a fan.

Kerry Diamond:
Oh gosh, well, the honor is all mine. Let's get right into this. So Healthier Together, which is the name of your podcast, seems to be the ethos that you live and work by. When I interact with your content, I really feel like you're communicating to me that we're all on this journey together. So I was curious, how did the concept of healthier together come about, and what does that mean to you?

Liz Moody:
Healthier together is really fundamental, I think, to my brand, but also who I am as a person. I have been working in editorial for years and years and years, and I've been writing about all of the different healthy foods and supplements and the different routines you can incorporate into your life to feel your absolute best, and the thing that felt like it was often missing from the conversation was the component of other people. And there are so many studies that show that we tend to reflect the behaviors of people around us.

So if the people around us are engaging in behavior that is productive towards living their healthiest, happiest life, we tend to take on those behaviors and similarly, if they are not, we tend to take on those behaviors as well. And beyond that, I think that we are missing that element of community just for the sake of itself, not community to help us eat our healthiest food or help us work out or move our bodies regularly, but community just because community makes us feel so good. It's a vital component of feeling our best, is having those conversations that take you deep into the night or laughing until your belly hurts. And so I really wanted to bring community into the conversation about wellness, whether that is using community to facilitate those healthy choices in your life, or using community to really fill you up from the inside out.

Kerry Diamond:
Liz, how did wellness become a career for you?

Liz Moody:
How much time do we have? So long story short, I had a period of extreme agoraphobia when I was living in London with my now husband. I had PTSD from an earlier incident in my life, and I was really isolated, I was writing full time, I was working on a novel, I was very in my head, alone all day in a foreign country. And ended up just my anxiety got worse and worse and worse until there was a point where I couldn't get out of bed without having a panic attack essentially, and I wouldn't leave my house and I would just spend my day on my computer in bed. And there was one point where I'd fully convinced myself, I was like, "This is a great life. You have your computer, you have access to so many things, you could just live in bed, that would be totally fine."

But I had been a writer for a long time by then, I was used to the process of researching, so I used that time in bed and I started reaching out to people. I reached out to the professor of neuroscience at Stanford to ask him about how anxiety was impacting my brain and things like that. And a lot people did not answer because they were like, "Why are you writing to me about your anxiety?" But a lot of people did, and I started to put together the basis of a routine to help me assuage these feelings of really extreme anxiety that were truly debilitating in my life at that moment.

So I started eating differently, I started meditating, I started moving differently with the information that I was getting from these experts, literally while laying sideways in bed with my computer propped up. And I really got interested in the power that the choices that we make on a day to day basis can have over our mental health particularly, and later I experienced a lot of benefits in my physical health, but my mental health was the basis for the journey. And then I switched my writing to being more focused on wellness so that I could explore these issues further and share what I learned with other people.

Kerry Diamond:
What was the aha moment for you? You're in bed, you've got your computer, you're not communicating with the outside world, what changed?

Liz Moody:
It wasn't an aha moment, and I actually try to be pretty specific in not telling people to look for an aha moment. I think sometimes we expect there to be a time where everything shifts and everything is better or worse. And in fact, it's a very slow, muddy, blurry, gray journey. So it was really just could I meditate laying there long enough that I could get up and go downstairs and make myself some food? And then if I could make myself some food, could I eat that, could I feel stable and calm and confident enough to take a walk around the block? And then maybe I take a walk around the block and the next day I'm hit by a wave of anxiety and I'm back and bed. So it's really been a slow, very trudging process.

I will say the thing that I feel made the most difference ultimately surprised me, which was having structure and routine. I think I always had a little bit more of that residual anxiety until I got full-time job back in New York, which was a number of years later. And then having this incredible amount of structure in my life, I think anxiety, or at least my anxiety really likes structure and routine, and so getting that full-time job helped me get to the place where I felt really free of anxiety in a core sense.

Kerry Diamond:
Well, that leads nicely into my next question, when and why did you go freelance? If you liked structure and a full-time job, why make that leap?

Liz Moody:
I was honestly terrified to do it. Yeah, I was really nervous that when I went freelance, that all of those feelings of anxiety would come back and it was a big leap for me to say, "No, the work that I've done on myself is me doing that work. I don't need these outside circumstances to keep me afloat." So it was a really big leap for me, but it happened when I went on my book tour and I really just felt so strongly about the messages in my book and what I wanted to put out into the world as a person, with my podcast, and the book. And so I was like, "I need to devote myself wholeheartedly to this." And it was a really fun, it was spring of 2019, I believe, and I was traveling all over the country and getting to meet people at these really fun events in real life, and I was still writing, but it was really fun to just get to put myself fully into my own content.

As you know with editorial, you're getting to put out your own messages, but it's really couched in what the publication that you're writing for wants the messaging to be as well, of course, because you're representing them.

Kerry Diamond:
So Liz, plug your book for a second. You've got a beautiful cookbook that's actually kind of timely.

Liz Moody:
Yeah, and it's, blurbed by you, so I feel very lucky to get to say that, and I really appreciate that so much. I feel like I emailed you out of the blue in Brooklyn, and I was like, "Hi, here's my book." So that's really special to me. My book is called Healthier Together, and it's healthy recipes for two people. So it doesn't have to be a romantic partner, it can be healthy recipes that you could do with your mom or your sister or your coworker or your friend. And we even had people who were getting healthier together from across the country. They would have Zoom dates and they would make the recipes together and talk about their lives as they're cooking and the things they're learning in the book. And it's really meant to be a little bit of an educational book, but also about making wellness and healthy eating accessible and easy and fun.

I really hate the idea that wellness should add this element of work into your life or this element of misery. I think that wellness is about being your healthiest, happiest self. So the second that any of your wellness practices are detracting from you being your healthiest, happiest self, when you're trudging through doing a ton of meal prep, or you're eating this salad and you're like, "This tastes terrible, I hate this," that's not wellness because you're not using it as a tool to live your healthiest, happiest life. So the whole book is about recipes that are bright and bold flavors and really interesting textures and ingredients, but using those as tools to nourish your body and to feel your absolute best and to get excited about food and to get excited about community.

Kerry Diamond:
And if you live alone like I do, the two can be you plus leftovers.

Liz Moody:
That is one of the most common uses for the book that I hear. There's so many people who are like, "Oh my gosh, I love it because I don't want to make a recipe for four people and have to eat the same thing for four servings, but two is perfect, it's one meal, one leftovers."

Kerry Diamond:
Right. When we did the Cherry Bombe cookbook, I actually changed the head notes. A traditional head note will say, serves four people, serves six people, serves two people, and I changed it to makes X servings, because I didn't want anyone to feel like, "Oh, I don't want to make this dish because I don't have six people to feed." I wanted them to know how many days of leftovers they would have if they cooked this dish and they were solo.

Liz Moody:
And leftovers, I think, are one of the best tricks to healthy eating too. I think I've had a number of doctors in my podcast who are like, "The best breakfast that you can eat is leftovers, because it's savory and hearty and it's already finished." And I just think leftovers are so underappreciated as one of the best tools towards healthy eating and a little gift to yourself. Every time I look in my fridge and I have leftovers, I'm just like, "Oh, thank you past me, I appreciate you so much."

Kerry Diamond:
I am fully team leftover.

Liz Moody:
But I also think that with leftovers you can gussy it up a little bit. I love nothing more than adding some fresh herbs to leftovers because I think it makes them look less like brown mush and they look bright and bold and beautiful again, and you get a little bit of that fresh flavor or you add a little bit of fresh squeezed lemon or fresh squeezed lime juice.

Kerry Diamond:
I love putting herbs on things, but I'm really bad at keeping herbs fresh in my fridge. And I had a, what do you call the head of carrots, what do you call a bunch of carrots, not a head of carrots, a bunch of carrots. I had a bunch of carrots in my fridge and I was like, "I have to use up these carrots." And I was making Eden Grinshpan's, she has a recipe for honey roasted and spiced parsnips. And it's such a beautiful recipe, it's got Hazel nuts and yogurt and dates. And I had almost nothing that the recipe called for, but I did have carrots and pistachios and prunes. And I was like, "You know what, I'm going to use the basic outline of this recipe, but with what I have." And it calls for a lot of dill, Eden loves dill and so do I, but I didn't have any.

So I was like, "You know what, let me try the carrot tops because some people make carrot top pesto." So I ate some of the carrot tops and I was like, "This just is not doing it for me." So I was like, "Okay, I'm not going to have everything green on my carrots, but I'll survive." Let's jump into some serious work stuff, and I want to talk about content creators. So you are a major content creator and content creators have so much to produce today, they have to produce so much material. And I went through your body of work last night, I was really blown away. You've got a website, a newsletter, an Instagram, a TikTok, a Patreon, your digital products, you just produced this deck of cards that we'll talk about in the little while, and you have a lot of sponsors and those relationships need to be managed. Are you a one person company or do you have help?

Liz Moody:
I am not a one person company, I have a manager. So my manager takes on all of my branded partnerships, she manages all of those relationships. She's also involved in talking through the next steps in my career, and she's involved in everything, she has her hands in everything, but she really takes on 100% of the branded content partnership management, so she's talking to all of the wonderful brands that I'm working with. I'm producing the content, but she's handling the contracts and all of that. And then I also have a part-time content producer working for me. This is a little bit of a leap for me, I have to say as a small business owner, taking the step to spend money to make money, I guess, is the idea of what you're doing.

But it's a really scary leap to take, to invest in yourself and invest in your company in that way, and I did that in January of last year and it was one of the best steps that I've made in my business, and it did pay off, I think that it has helped my revenue and it's helped free up my mental space so I can really focus on doing the things that I like to do, which is the podcast and creating interesting content for my various platforms. But I do think it's a really scary step to take that step to spend money to make money, or to spend money to free up your mental health and your mental space. I think that spending money on myself is something I really struggle with, and it's a goal for this year to figure out that balance a little bit more.

So yeah, I have those two people's help, and then I have a number of freelancers I work with. I don't personally produce and edit my podcast. I think I spent one day when I launched my podcast, where I was like, "Should I learn how to do this editing software?" And I dove down a YouTube hole and then I was like, "I should not. That is not something I'm going to be capable of." So I think in any business, knowing where your strengths lie, my strengths are creative content creation and finding ways that you can outsource the other components of your business. So I'm not a one man shop.

I also think that it's important to note that I have a lot of really supportive people in my life beyond people who are directly helping my business. My husband is upstairs right now, trying to keep my cat quiet so that she's not disturbing this entire interview. And I think that it's hard to do anything successfully without people rooting you on, whether that's friends or family members or partners, and I feel really lucky that I have those people in my life, and I have no question that I wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't have them,

Kerry Diamond:
That's true. It takes a village and a supportive network, absolutely. I'm glad you have that. Let's talk productivity, that is a favorite subject of yours, and it is the topic of your most recent podcast, and I learned so much from just that one episode, I have to thank you for that. Tell us a few productivity rules that you swear by.

Liz Moody:
So a few really interesting things came out of that podcast. I interviewed Chris Bailey, who's the author of The Productivity Project. He's tried basically every productivity hack, everything that's been studied to help productivity and he tries them all and then reports back as to whether they make a real difference. And I thought one of the most interesting things that he said about productivity is that it's not about getting more done in a day, it's about getting the things that you want accomplished. So that can be, I want to have more time to spend with people I love, I want to have time to cook dinner and listen to a podcast, I want to have time to take a bath. And it can also be, I want to have time to get to inbox zero, I want to have time to complete this project, et cetera, et cetera.

So I think that often we focus on productivity just in the context of our career and accomplishing as much as possible in our work day. And I think stepping back and realizing that while work is important, and I think that doing work that you're passionate about is also important, we're not little work cogs, we're not little work machines, we're meant to be living these well rounded lives outside of work and putting that same intention and attention and to the rest of our lives as we do to work sometimes is lost. And I think it's important to step back and say, "I'm going to prioritize my relationships. I'm going to prioritize my body and the food that I'm putting into it and how I'm treating it with gentle love and care every day." I think that that can be really important as well. So that was a huge shift I had in my own thoughts about productivity that really helped me.

Another thing that he said in the podcast is that anything you're doing to be more productive that takes time, you need to be getting more than that amount of time back otherwise you're just eating away at your time and it's hurting your overall mission of getting all these things done. So meditation is, in his mind, the number one way that you can spend time to make more time. He did calculations that showed that every minute you spend meditating, you get nine times that about, you get nine minutes back in the rest of your life because you're more focused, you're thinking clearer, you're more calm. You're not answering an email here and then checking your phone over here, and then you're like, "What was I doing?" Which I struggle with a lot. So I brought meditation into my life as a tool to help with the anxiety that we discussed, but I found meditation to be one of my top productivity tools as well.

On days that I meditate, and I am not perfect about it by any means, but on days that I meditate, which is more often than not, I find that the rest of my day just goes so much smoother. I'm accomplishing more, but I'm also enjoying the process of accomplishing things, which again, I think is really important because we're not meant to just sit around accomplishing things, we're meant to be whole people with thoughts and feelings and joy in our lives.

Kerry Diamond:
When did you start meditating?

Liz Moody:
I started meditating in the bed with my computer sideways, I did Headspace. I remember Andy Puddicombe's, I think, his soothing, British voice was one of my most vivid memories of that period in my life, as I would just listen to Andy and be like, "It's going to be okay, Liz." I'd be having extreme panic attacks. So I started meditating then, and then I ended up taking a vedic meditation course for an article that I was writing back when I was working in editorial in New York. And vedic meditation is really similar to transcendental meditation, it's pretty much the same thing, but some people had a little rift a while back. And so then I started doing mantra meditation for 20 minutes every day with a mantra, and it's made a world of difference. Do you meditate?

Kerry Diamond:
Not as much as I would like, but it's something I would like to do again. I would do it for just 10 minutes at a time, sitting on my yoga mat, looking at the sky and would have a mantra in my head, and it really did make for a great day. This is the year I'm going to make it more of a practice and stick to it.

Liz Moody:
To that point, you don't have to do 20 minutes of meditation to have it "count," I think because of the way my mind works, I'm always like, "Well, does the workout count if it's only this long, does a meditation count if it's only this long?" And I had a professor of neuroscience on my podcast to talk about the neuroscience of anxiety and they noticed literal brain changes in people after two to three minutes of meditation, after five minutes of meditation. So just taking a few moments, it doesn't have to be this lofty goal of 20 minutes every single day, but five minutes here, two minutes here, it actually is enough to make really big changes.

And I think sometimes especially in the wellness world, things can feel really intimidating and hard and scary because you're like, "Oh my God, I need this hour and a half morning routine, I need to meditate for 20 minutes every day, I have to do this long workout that I'm going to be really sweaty," and it doesn't need to be that, you just can find these little tiny tweaks that can end up making a really big difference over time.

Kerry Diamond:
10 minutes is my sweet spot right now. I mean, maybe I'll work up to more time, but that does the trick for me.

Liz Moody:
I think 10 minutes is absolutely perfect, and I think you could be making a really big difference in just 10 minutes a day. And setting the bar low is how you actually make something a regular habit and doing something regularly is so much more important than doing it extendedly.

Kerry Diamond:
Liz, what are some other productivity moves or hacks that you swear by?

Liz Moody:
I like to really take a few minutes at the beginning of every single day, and I like to pick three things that I want to do that day. So Chris Bailey also explained on the podcast that our brain thinks in threes and it likes threes, and I think that a three item to do list does two things. One, it, again, sets the bar low, you're not looking at a list of 20 different things and going, "Oh my God, this day's going to be terrible," but it also helps you zero in on what do I actually need to accomplish today. So I think a really great trick to finding those three things, especially if you have a list of 20 things, is to write out the full list, brain dump everything on your mind, and then you can go in and circle the three things that are actually the most important.

So you have everything on the list, you know it's all there if you need to come back to it, but you're doing those three most important, most critical things first. And I think that I like to zoom out, I call it zooming out to zoom in, I like to think where am I going to try to be with my business in a week, a month, a year, and then how am I doing things today to help me get there? I think I often can get really lost in the minutia of the day to day, where I feel like I've done a lot, but I've accomplished nothing. And so I really like to think about how is everything that I'm doing intentionally lining up with my larger goals.

Kerry Diamond:
You also spent the past two years learning to work from the road, which is not easy. Early on in the pandemic, you and your husband Zack, became nomadic for quite some time. I'd love to know what led to that decision.

Liz Moody:
Yeah, well, being in New York in the early pandemic was a big part of it. We had a 500 square foot, teeny tiny apartment, and it was right next to a hospital. So we would fall asleep to the sound of sirens and wake up to the sound of sirens, and it was just a really hard time. I had a lot of flashbacks to my agoraphobic period of my life. It was really interesting as somebody who did struggle with agoraphobia, because agoraphobia is the fear of the outside world, the fear that the outside world is harmful. And then all of a sudden I was thrust into this period where the outside world was potentially harmful, and that was really hard for me to reconcile in my mind, so it was a big struggle.

We were there until the end of May, in those early stages of the pandemic where nobody knew how you got it, and we were all washing our groceries and it was a lot. And then our landlord tried to raise our rent and we were like, "Do we want to pay more money to continue to be in our tiny shoebox apartment for an extended period of time?" And we did a lot of soul searching and decided we didn't. So we went to Colorado originally, and the idea was we would do a cool off period because we didn't want to be around anybody, we were isolated in a house in Colorado and we were just going to hike and not see people, and then we would go back to California and evaluate next steps. But that month in Colorado was just transformative. We would work in the mornings and then we would go and hike in the afternoons in the mountains, we were right by the San Juan mountains, which I think one of the most underrated, beautiful places in the country.

And it was really magical, and we were surprised at how much easier it was than we thought it would be, the idea of picking up your life and going and living this nomad life, I think felt really intimidating. And I think if we'd gone into it thinking that was the ultimate goal, it would've felt really intimidating, but we were like, "Oh, we can still do all of our Zoom calls. I can still record my podcast." There was a kitchen, I could still cook and create my recipes. And it just all, taken one step at a time, felt a lot more attainable than we had thought it was. So instead of going back to California, we booked another Airbnb for a month, and then it just progressed from there. And we've gotten to see so much of this really beautiful country, and it ended up being a really big silver lining in our pandemic experience because especially when we were all still really, really locked down and isolating, getting to at least spend that time in nature was really healing and really important for my mental health.

Kerry Diamond:
Can I ask about the finances of that? I'm sure there are a lot of people who are thinking, I would love to do that, but I don't think I can afford to do that.

Liz Moody:
My top tip would be to live in New York first because then anything else feels affordable. The finance were basically that we decided to set a cap on our Airbnb monthly budget at our New York apartment budget. And because a New York apartment is so much more expensive than an apartment you would have pretty much anywhere else in the country, that actually made it pretty close. I would say we were spending maybe 500 to $1,000 more for a month of an Airbnb, but because we're not paying rent, we're not maxing out our budget that much more. So we do that, and then also Airbnb has huge monthly discounts. So the first place that we stayed was 50% off of its normal rate because you rented out for a month, so they don't have to clean and deal with people coming in and out of their place, so they can give you really big discounts.

And then also, people don't know this, but you can ask for discounts. So if you see a place you love on Airbnb and it feels a little bit out of range, you can just send them a little message and say, "Hey, I love this place, it's a little out of range. Is there any way we could work out a deal? I have this amount of money to spend." So we did that. But then once you took your rent cost and then made that our monthly Airbnb cost, all of the other costs of living were pretty much the same and some were even gone. We weren't hanging out with anybody or having any sort of social life, so that was a huge savings, especially after life in New York. And then also weird things, like you're not paying for your internet, you're not paying for your electric bill, so those are savings as well. You do obviously need a job that's flexible enough to work from the road, but I think that the big savings is that your rent money is going towards the Airbnb money.

Kerry Diamond:
And you don't eat in restaurants a lot, from what I've gathered, you enjoy cooking a lot and grocery shopping.

Liz Moody:
I enjoy cooking, I hate grocery shopping. If somebody wanted to come grocery shop for me, I would love it so much. There's something about it just feels very intimidating to me, I always forget something, even if I have a really good list. And I think it's because when I'm developing a recipe, because I am not as organized as I would perhaps like to be, I'm in and out of the grocery store five times a day, so I hate it.

Kerry Diamond:
Wait, that's so funny. I'm such a grocery store nerd, I love grocery shopping and I love farmer's markets.

Liz Moody:
I love farmer's markets. A leisurely Saturday at a farmer's market is my dream. Going back to the grocery store for the fourth time that day because I've forgotten my pearl couscous, is my nightmare.

Kerry Diamond:
I understand that, yes. So tell us where you visited and how long you were on the road for.

Liz Moody:
So we've been nomadding officially for about a year and a half, almost two years, and we've really hit up some of the beautiful places in the country, so I'll try to remember. We've been to Joshua Tree, Tucson, Santa Fe, Durango, Colorado, which is on the other side of the San Juan mountains that we stayed in for our first month of nomadding, which again, just one of the most beautiful places in the world.

Kerry Diamond:
So nomadding, is this the term people use now?

Liz Moody:
So I think the concept of a digital nomad is the idea that you work from anywhere and you work with your computer. I'm not that involved in the community, so I can't speak to specifics, but I think that the idea that you don't have a set home and you're bouncing between places, working from wherever is consider digital nomadding, I believe.

Kerry Diamond:
So nomadding is now a noun and verb. Okay, I got it. You've seen so much of the country, tell us where else.

Liz Moody:
So yeah, Durango, and then we did Carbondale, which is in the Aspen Valley area, it's so gorgeous. And then Montana, we've been to Missoula, and to Bozeman and then up to Kalispell, which is by Glacier National Park. We've stayed by Leavenworth in Washington, which is so cute. Leavenworth is this little German town, it feels like you walked into a German fairy tale and it's right in the base of the Cascade Mountains, and it's absolutely stunning. Basically if you Googled most beautiful mountain towns in America, there's a good chance that we've stayed in one of them.

Kerry Diamond:
Did you Google most beautiful mountain towns in America?

Liz Moody:
We did do that. We'd do that to find places because I have a very specific list of needs. We have our larger needs, like we want to hike, and so having really beautiful nature is important to us. I also don't want to be cold ever again, I feel like I did my time in New York and London and I just don't want to be cold ever again, so that's a very specific need. And then beyond that, we have needs for towns with fast enough internet for me to continue to record my podcast, towns with a good enough grocery store for me to continue to develop recipes, and those don't feel like they would be that hard to find, but they actually are in a lot of parts of rural America, so that's been a big limiting factor as well. But yeah, we've Googled it both before when we're trying to pick and then more fun, sometimes those articles will come up on Instagram and I'll click it post facto and it's fun to go through the list and be like, "Wow, we chose really well," and give yourself a little pat on the back.

I have a request for a blog post or an article from you, as a New Yorker who doesn't hike, but who in her mind would like to be that person who leaves New York and hikes at some point in her life, I need to know what I need, the hiking boots, the socks, the clothes, et cetera. So maybe you could put a little list together for the urban folks who haven't really done much hiking in their lives.

Liz Moody:
I will put a list together, but I also want to say, just off the top, that you need less than you would think. You need some good sneakers, bonus points if they have some traction, you need water for the love of God. I hike with so many people who don't really hike and they're like, "Oh, I didn't bring water. Why would I bring water?" I'm like, "Oh my gosh, please just hydrate, it's all I ask of you, you need a little snack and that's it." I think sometimes again, we can build stuff up in our head where it feels like, "Oh, there's this whole culture around hiking, and do I need to go to REI and get the little poles to hike with and GPS or whatever," and you really don't, you can get away with very little and have a really wonderful time.

Kerry Diamond:
How did you manage to eat healthy while on the road?

Liz Moody:
So a lot of cooking, as you noted. We do like to eat out at restaurants, depending on what the state is of the world at any given point and what feels safe and good. We love to explore the food cultures of the places that we're in. Tucson, so underrated as a city to go to, but especially as the food city, it's the first UNESCO world heritage food cultural heritage city, or something like that, but it's literally noted by UNESCO for its food culture, which is incredible, and I had the best breakfast burrito of my life there. So highly recommend Tucson for the food. But I would say that having those little bits of structure in your routine are the best way to eat healthy when you're traveling, whether you're traveling like us, where you have every little thing with you, so you can do all the cooking at home.

But I love staying in Airbnb's, I love to have at least one meal in, which I think is nice both in terms of having you eat a little bit, getting some vegetables in, not eating stuff that's cooked in such a ... you know restaurant food is delicious, but they use a lot of things to make it taste that delicious, it tends to be heavier in oils and things like that. So if you cook a few meals in, it just makes you feel a little bit more energized, a little bit more ready to take on your day. So if I have my blender, I'll make a green smoothie in the morning. If I don't have my blender, I'll just go to a farmer's market or a local market, get some veggies and scramble those up with eggs, I think that's a really wonderful way to start your day.

And then you can also, I love this little trick, this is from an episode of my podcast with the glucose goddess, who's a blood sugar expert, essentially. And when your blood sugar, whether you're diabetic, this is for people who aren't diabetic, but if your blood sugar is spiking and crashing, you're in Paris and you've eaten just a croissant for breakfast, then you feel like absolute crap two hours later, it's probably because your blood sugar has spiked and crashed and it makes you just not feel energized or good, or for me, it also causes a lot of anxiety. And you can get around that by starting every meal with what she calls a green starter, so that's just a vegetable at the beginning of your meal. So if you're ordering out at a restaurant, start the meal, before you eat the bread, before you eat anything else, with a salad, with a side of carrots, with a broccoli side, they always have something on the menu.

And then that elongates your blood sugar curve for the entire meal, you can order everything else you would normally order, explore all of the food culture and cuisine, but you'll just feel better at the end of the meal. So I love to employ little tricks like that to make eating out feel, make me feel good because you want to have the energy to explore the place that you are, and you want to enjoy your time there instead of just laying. I've had that experience after the croissant in Paris particularly, we're just laying on a bench and you're just like, "Oh, I need a nap."

Kerry Diamond:
You sound like Emily in Paris.

Liz Moody:
She gets a lot of Instagram engagement for very little effort and I'm a little jealous of that.

Kerry Diamond:
That's funny. Okay, since we're in the topic of food, let's talk about some Liz Moody signature food moves. We know you love your smoothies and your Patreon is actually called The Green Smoothie Society. Tell us what made you fall in love with smoothies?

Liz Moody:
Smoothies were one of my first dietary changes that I made back when I was going through that period of extreme anxiety. And the thing that really appealed to me about them was how easy they were. It wasn't putting a lot of effort into be able ... it literally took five minutes, you just plopped everything and the blender, blended it up and then you would drink it, and I felt so good. The difference that I felt in my body after drinking a smoothie was phenomenal. So I love them because they take five minutes to make, they require little to no cleanup, which is very important to me, I hate cleaning up more than I hate grocery shopping, which is saying something, and they pack in so many nutrients. You're eating more nutrients than most people eat in an entire day, and you're doing it, I have my smoothie for breakfast, if you're doing it before 9:00 AM, if you have it for breakfast, and I just think that's a really wonderful tool.

I think kicking your day off with a meal that really nourishes you, that makes you feel good in your body, is a great way to set the tone for the rest of your day, to want to treat your body with that tender love and care for the rest of the day as well. And you can make them taste really good. I like to think of my smoothie flavors as pies, so any flavor profile that would be really delicious in a pie, if you're like, "Ooh, blueberry cardamon, that'd be a really tasty pie," you put that in a smoothie and it's perfect, it's so delicious. So I love playing around with fun flavor combinations like chocolate covered strawberry, or orange creamsicle, and then having this thing that I'm really excited about getting out of bed to have for breakfast every day. I'm not a coffee drinker, so I need something to be excited about to get out of bed.

Kerry Diamond:
I am definitely not as adventurous as you when it comes to smoothies. Tell us a few ways we can up our smoothie game specifically.

Liz Moody:
I think that thinking of fun flavors that you like in your life and then trying to translate them to smoothies, a very easy one is adding cacao. Everybody likes chocolate, if you don't like chocolate, I honestly don't know what to do with you. In adding cacao to your smoothie, makes your smoothie taste chocolatey, and it's really, really good for you. Cacao has incredible health benefits, it's been used therapeutically for thousands of years, but it also tastes like chocolate, so it's win-win. So I just like adding a few scoops of cacao to my smoothie. It also has a little bit of caffeine and it also has something called theobromine, which gives you a gentle energy without that jittery stimulation of caffeine, and it has much less caffeine than coffee or tea. So I think it's really nice at the beginning of the day, to give you a gentle energy to start your day with.

Another thing I love to do is add spices to smoothies. Again, spices are packed with therapeutic benefits. I always say that spices are the original superfoods, you don't need to go and spend a ton of money on superfoods when you have a cabinet full of them, and they make your food taste delicious. So I love putting smoothies. I love putting cardamom in smoothies, I love a little pinch of cayenne for some spice in a smoothie. And then similarly to that, zest of citrus. So orange zest, lemon zest, lime zest, they make smoothies taste so good, they have a ton of different health benefits to them, and they'll just make you excited about your smoothie. I think making your smoothie flavors diverse and interesting and exciting to your palette, is the way to really make it a habit that will be sustainable.

Kerry Diamond:
I love it. One green thing is another Liz Moody signature, what's one green thing about?

Liz Moody:
So one green thing was born during the holidays, and my entire dietary philosophy is really about adding things in. I'm never going to tell you to take out any ingredient, any food, I just think life is too short and food is too delicious for that, so it's all about adding things in. And during the holidays, as I was having champagne and cookies and very decadent things very regularly, I was like, "I want to create a series where we're just fitting in one green thing." So one green thing is a make ahead meal that's packed with nutrients, that you leave in your fridge and then you can go have some for lunch, have some for breakfast. You have it as the little hit of nutrients between all of the indulgence.

Kerry Diamond:
You are also a meal prep proponent. Say that three times fast, meal prep proponent, and have an ongoing four meals, one prep series. Can you walk us through a favorite one? What's the prep and what are the four meals?

Liz Moody:
I love my rotisserie chicken meal prep. So the idea with four meals, one prep is that I was never a huge meal prep person. I actually found meal prep incredibly boring, the idea of doing all this work and then eating the same thing for four days just made me, ugh. I hated it. So four meals, one prep, the idea is that you do a bunch of work and then it's about an hour of prep time. And then the next four nights, you have completely unique meals with the ingredients that you've made and that you've prepped on the first night. So the rotisserie chicken one, it's really fun because I joke that it's like ... I said to my husband, "This feels like algebra, because I'm trying to use up all of the different ingredients and use ingredients in really unique and interesting ways."

And the idea too is that you're using everything up at the end of the four days, so you don't have half a bunch of parsley left, you don't have one half of a lime. My husband said I had no idea what algebra was if I was equating the two, but it feels like very complicated math, it's fun for me to put together. And so the rotisserie chicken, when you prep rotisserie chicken or you buy it because it's done, and then you make a saffron rice and then the saffron rice is really fun because you use that as a basis for a paella on day one, but then you also use that as a basis for a Greek lemon soup on day four, and that saffron is permeating and flavoring it throughout.

And then the paella, this is one of my favorite things, you either will love this or hate this, I was trying to figure out how I could get the tomato and pepper and onion into the paella without having leftover tomato, pepper and onion that you couldn't use up for the rest of the week. And on day three we had tacos and I was like, "Maybe you could buy the tomato and pepper and onion and you could make a salsa for the tacos." And then I was like, "Maybe you could buy a salsa, a very fresh pico type salsa where it's in the refrigerated section, it's less peppery, more tomato and onion forward, and you could use that as your tomato onion blend for the paella. So you're using salsa to get all of those ingredients in your paella and then you're reusing that salsa on day three for your tacos.

It sounds crazy, but it's a great hack because essentially you're just buying pre chopped tomatoes or pre crushed tomatoes, pre chopped onions, pre minced garlic, and then you're tossing that into your paella type dish, to get all of those flavors in there without having to do any of that prep work.

Kerry Diamond:
But you could make your own.

Liz Moody:
You definitely could. If you would like to do that, you're very welcome to. I'm a lazy cook, I really like to maximize flavor and enjoyment for the least possible effort, so I'm always looking for workarounds to make eating healthy really easy. So I always have my healthy food on hand, it's not a choice, it's not a thing I have to think about very much, but also so I can have those really delicious things without very much effort. I love restaurant food, I love going through cookbooks that are filled with restaurant chefs recipes. I will often not make them because they're time consuming and I'm like, "I'll just go to your restaurant and let you make it for me. Thank you."

Kerry Diamond:
Well, you are the last person I would call lazy, but you definitely make eating healthy seem fun and doable. Another important subject for you is the need for real connections in today's world. What do you mean by real connections?

Liz Moody:
I'm allergic to, it's not boring conversation, but I guess the type of conversation where you're like, "Here's a recap of my day or here's what the weather was like here." And I think especially over the past two years where the amount of experiences we're having that could serve as the basis for interesting enriching conversation, has been truncated a little bit, we're just not doing as much dynamic and interesting activity in our day to day life. And I think that can lead to us almost running out of stuff to talk about, so then you end up talking about the news and things that perhaps are a little bit more anxiety inducing and rehashing the same types of conversations over and over. And so I like to talk about more just philosophical things, our thoughts and opinions and the world and our dreams and our beliefs and our values.

And so I created the healthier together conversation deck as an answer to that, for two reasons. One, because it can be hard to come up with those topics. I think that when you're just sitting around and you're not really doing much, it's hard to out of the blue be like, "Do you believe in any conspiracy theories, do you think any conspiracy theories are real, or what do you think is the value of legacy in your life, and would you make choices based on legacy?" It just feels a little bit hard to reach those types of questions. And then on top of that, I think that permission giving for questions is really important. And what's something a conversation starter deck does is it's not you asking the questions, so you don't have to feel weird. We have a money section in the deck and it's all about wealth and money and the different ways that these taboo things affect our lives, because they really do.

Wealth is a conversation and money is something that is layered into so many components of our life, but it still remains taboo to talk about. But instead of you asking somebody about money or about if they feel like they're paid what they're worth, the deck is. So it gives you permission to ask questions that you wouldn't normally ask. So the deck was really created around bringing the types of conversations that people have on podcasts or on their best night when they've had a really wonderful dinner, and they're sitting there at the end of the night and just talking about every little thing under the sun, it accelerates you towards those types of conversations and lets you bring them into your life when you're just driving around doing errands or when you're connecting with somebody on a Zoom call or when you're having dinner with a few you of your best friends.

Kerry Diamond:
What made you decide the perfect way to do this is a deck of cards?

Liz Moody:
I love decks of cards, I think that they're beautiful. I wanted something that you could leave out on your coffee table and it would look really gorgeous and you would want to reach for it. I like the idea of just taking a few, so it's not like a book where you're working your way through, you just take one or two and have a conversation then. Most people say that they only can get through three or four in an evening because it sparks these longer, winding, meandering, tangential conversations, and that makes me really, really happy because that's the goal.

Kerry Diamond:
So these are for sale on your website. I ordered mine last night, they're $25 and I was very excited to place that order. And your first batch sold out, congratulations.

Liz Moody:
It did, thank you so much. Yeah, they're on htdeck.com. They're also on lizmoody.com, which is my website. But if you go to htdeck.com, you'll see the very pretty page that we designed for everything. And you can also read customer reviews, which is really fun. Honestly, it's a very feel good thing to go through the reviews and hear how having deep connection and conversation has really transformed people's lives. Somebody messaged me and they said that they had had a baby a year and a half ago, and hadn't had a real conversation with their partner since then, because it was all logistics and keeping this new human alive, and they brought the deck out the other night and had a real conversation for the first time in a year and a half. And other people are using it to have the first non-political conversation with their parents for the first time in years. And it's really exciting to see the nourishing power of connection and conversation, and I truly believe it's as nourishing as any of the other stuff that is talked about so much more commonly in the wellness world.

Kerry Diamond:
And it's interesting, I'm excited to get this deck and I'm excited to actually have people come over my apartment for dinner again one of these days, but I would imagine not everyone is immediately open to it. I can think of a few friends who would roll their eyes if I said, "Okay, we're going to take out this deck of cards and ask some deep questions of each other."

Liz Moody:
So I think that the secret is to trick them, it's to not make it a very big deal. So I really didn't want it to be like, "Okay, we're playing this very serious game right now." There's no structure to it, I think lot of conversation starter games have this specific structure and you go through it in a very specific order, and it feels, it's really fun and engaging and I love a lot of them, but it feels a little bit more like a to-do to bring it out. So this is really designed to be a deck, you keep it out on your coffee table, you keep it out on your counter, I always have one in my car too, and you just pull one. So it's less like, "Let's sit down and play the serious game," but more just as dinner is winding down, you reach over and you're like, "Oh, hey Bob, what do you think of this?" And you ask them that question, like what TV family would you most like to be a part of or something like that.

Kerry Diamond:
Okay. Do you want to pull a random card and ask me a question?

Liz Moody:
Yeah.

Kerry Diamond:
And then will you pull one and answer?

Liz Moody:
Yeah, I have a great one for you. So we have six categories in the deck, and-

Kerry Diamond:
Is this premeditated Liz or did you ...

Liz Moody:
Totally random. This was completely random, but I think it's perfect for you, and I'm actually really excited to hear your answer. So we have six categories, we have wealth, love, growing up, wellbeing, what if and adventure, and this is from the love category. So the love category, this is something that was very important to me about love, is that it's not just romantic love, it's friendship, it's self love, it's all of the facets of love. So for you Kerry, we have, what's something that you love about yourself that you wish more people noticed or saw in you?

Kerry Diamond:
Oh my God, that's a tough question. Something about myself that I wish other people recognized. Gosh, I really need to think about that. I'm obviously really proud of the work we've done at Cherry Bombe, and the community building, but I feel like I get recognized for that, which I'm really grateful for, but I don't know if there's anything else that I want to be recognized for. I'm going to have to say I need to think about that a little bit more. Maybe Liz, when we have you back on the show, I'll have an answer.

Liz Moody:
Or you can tell me on Instagram and I can share. For me, a big thing for me is my generosity. I think that I also, I think, as a woman in the professional sphere and also I think as a person in the professional sphere, we're really taught that all of our accomplishments, all of our things that should be lauded are within that realm. And I think a fun thing about this question is to really, for me, is to push myself to look outside of the things that people are applauding about me. People get excited about my books and my podcast and my ability to create a successful career for myself. And I think that for me sometimes, it's hard for me to focus on the other elements of myself as a person, because society isn't applauding the parts of me that aren't successful in a traditional sense. So for me, generosity is a big one that I come back to for that, I wish that people saw the amount of time sometimes that I spend thinking about other people and making things just so for them.

Kerry Diamond:
Okay. I mean, one thing that just popped in my head is I did go to a state university, I went to Suny Plattsburgh for college. I'm really proud of what I've achieved post-college, and even though a lot of doors weren't open to Suny graduates for various reasons. I had worked at Yahoo, I used to be the head of Yahoo food when that existed, it doesn't exist anymore, and I wasn't allowed to hire interns from the Suny system, and I was just so offended by that and fought it a little bit, but didn't really get anywhere, I probably could have fought it a little harder. I'm very proud of being a Suny grad, I don't walk around with a Plattsburgh sweatshirt, but maybe I should, maybe I should buy a Plattsburgh sweatshirt after this.

Liz Moody:
I love that. Honestly, I do think that that's really beautiful and it's beautiful to showcase all of the ... to go against the norms of you must go to this college to be successful and you must have this path in life. I think anything that celebrates the millions of paths that a person can take and live a healthy, happy life, is a wonderful thing.

Kerry Diamond:
Absolutely. Liz, can you be my life coach?

Liz Moody:
This deck can, you can sit down with the deck Kerry, and you'll get to go through all of the questions.

Kerry Diamond:
Okay, pull a card and ask yourself a question. No cheating.

Liz Moody:
Oh God. Okay. If every job paid equally, what would you do differently? This is from the wealth section, and I think it's a really interesting question. The immediate thing that comes to mind is that I would still do my podcast, I'm obsessed with my podcast. I think that the ability to sit down and ask the world's leading minds all of your most probing questions every week, is just the greatest joy on the planet. I was a podcaster long before I had a podcast, I just would annoy people in my normal life with all of my questions, but it's really fun to actually have that be part of my job. I think I would also potentially be a travel agent, which is an interesting ... I love putting trips together for people. I think it's so fun to just bring these little bits of joy into people's lives and think about like, "Oh, would they want to go to this restaurant or this restaurant?" And I think travel is such a transformative thing, so I think being a travel agent would be a ton of fun.

Kerry Diamond:
I love it.

Liz Moody:
I'd be a podcast host, travel agent.

Kerry Diamond:
Okay. Okay. I think everyone listening should ask themselves that question, because that is a fascinating question. If money was no object, what would you do for a living? And I would love to know how many of you pick what you're doing right now versus some kind of dream job. All right, Liz, we're going to do the speed round, you kind of answered this already, tea or coffee?

Liz Moody:
Tea. I can't do coffee, I can't even do caffeinated tea, I'm a wimp. Caffeine just interacts really badly with my anxiety, I will have a panic attack if I have one cup of caffeinated tea. So I'm all about the herbal teas and I have a deep well of herbal teas.

Kerry Diamond:
What's one you love in particular?

Liz Moody:
I'm a huge rooibos fan, I think that it's incredibly delicious. It's a little bit sweet, it's a red tea from South Africa and I just think it's one of the most delicious and underrated teas. With a little splash of some sort of milk, you get this very creamy, dessert like texture and flavor.

Kerry Diamond:
What was your last pantry purchase?

Liz Moody:
I would say there's a olive oil company called old Scibica, that is from Modesto, California, which is where I went to high school, and they make the most delicious olive oils that I have ever had in my life. And I bought their raw unfiltered olive oil recently, so it's not an olive oil that you would cook with and it goes bad very, very quickly, within a few months, but it is so delicious for dipping bread in, it has that sharpness that catches in your throat, but it's just very robust and vegetal and I'm obsessed with it.

Kerry Diamond:
Yum. Favorite kitchen tool?

Liz Moody:
My blender probably, I use it all the time, I use it for my beloved green smoothies. I do have a Vitamix, I think it is worth it, people ask all the time, I've had a Vitamix for probably 10 years now. And when I got my first one, I just bought a refurbished one on their website, which I think is another really underrated thing you can do, you can buy certified refurbished ones for much more affordable prices on their website, but it's a game changer. I love it for soups, for sauces, for pesto, it makes the best hummus in the world, you will never buy a store bought hummus again, because you can just dump your chickpeas in. I do it with the aquafaba, so with the liquid in the chickpea can for a very creamy restaurant style hummus, it's divine. So I use it every single day.

Kerry Diamond:
Oh, I usually don't use my aquafaba for that, I need to change that.

Liz Moody:
It's great. Honestly, it gives you that very, very creamy restaurant style hummus. So the chickpea, the aquafaba, some garlic, some tahini, some olive oil, some lemon juice, literally you'll feel like you're at a fancy restaurant because it's more aerated. It almost does that same whipping action that you would use aquafaba as a replacement for, like people are using it asa replacement for meringues and more aerated things. It adds that aerated quality to your hummus, it's really divine, highly recommend.

Kerry Diamond:
I was going to make some hummus tonight, so I'm going to try that and I will report back. Okay, what is a treasured cookbook? Do you even have cookbooks since you're traveling around the country?

Liz Moody:
I don't travel with them, but I have learned a lot from very many of them. I love all of Julia Turshen's cookbooks, they've been really beautiful for me to cook and learn from. I also love The Food Lab, I learned a lot of basics about how different ingredients that interact on a scientific level. So I love cookbooks when I can learn from them, when I can learn about either different cultures and cuisines or I can learn about the science behind why something is happening, and I love looking through them and then I'll usually give them to a friend or give them to a loved one so that they can enjoy their life a little bit longer while I'm still nomadding.

Kerry Diamond:
What is the oldest thing in your fridge?

Liz Moody:
Probably some sort of condiment that I haven't discarded. Oh actually, no, you know what, we have a thing of fermented carrots that every time we eat all the carrots, we put new carrots in and then leave it out on the counter a little bit longer to ferment, and that's been going for a few months now. We do do a fridge clean out whenever we move to a different place, we bring obviously everything that's still good with us. But it's a nice thing about this nomad life, is it's really cut down on food waste for me because the week before we move, we stop grocery shopping, we do an inventory, we try to go through absolutely everything that we have, so that we don't have to bring a bunch of different stuff with us. So back in New York it would've been an appalling answer, but I think right now I'm doing pretty well.

Kerry Diamond:
What is a song that makes you smile?

Liz Moody:
Caroline Polachek, So Hot You're Hurting My Feelings, I am obsessed with it. I discovered it on TikTok and it just makes me want to dance and move my body every single time I listen to it. I'm a big proponent of the two to three minute dance break in the middle of your day, particularly if you're in a bad mood or nothing productive is happening, put on a great song and dance to it. And Caroline Polachek, So Hot You're Hurting My Feelings, will make you want to dance.

Kerry Diamond:
Okay, we're going to check that out as soon as this interview is over. What is a dream travel destination?

Liz Moody:
Either a very fancy safari, a luxury one that you would only [inaudible 01:01:09] going on for your honeymoon, somewhere like South Africa, Kruger Park, maybe during baby animal season. I don't know when that is, but I need to figure that out, because I want to see baby elephants-

Kerry Diamond:
That's very specific.

Liz Moody:
... and baby giraffe's, I feel like a baby giraffe would be the cutest thing, I don't know how you maintain the rest of your life after seeing that. Or some sort of trekking thing in Patagonia.

Kerry Diamond:
Favorite piece of advice? And you're full of advice, so I'm dying to know what your answer is.

Liz Moody:
So it's advice from me, which is a little bit annoying, it's not advice I received from somebody else and I recognize that that's annoying, but it is the motto that I live my life by, and it has changed my life more than any other thing, and it is never be the one to say no to yourself. And the idea behind that is that often we can tell ourselves, I did this with my first book, I was like, "Am I qualified to write a cookbook? I don't know, I don't think so." And I could have just said no to myself and moved on from there, but instead I said, "I'm going to let somebody else say no to me." So I Googled how to write a cookbook proposal, and I found some sample proposals on the internet and I put together a proposal and I sent it around to agents. And then I had a publisher, I had seven publishers bidding on my book within a week.

So I think that there are so many times in life where we cut our dreams off at the knees because we're the ones saying no to ourselves. And that doesn't mean every dream's going to come true, there's been so many situations where I've gone after the thing I've wanted and somebody else has said no to me, and that's fine, but it's so much better than being the one to say no to yourself. So I always just say, go out, look for the person to say no to you, go ask the literary agent, go ask for the job, go ask for the raise, go hit on the person at the bar, let somebody else say no. Instead of saying, "I'm not cute enough, why would they like me? I'm not qualified enough, why would they give me a raise?" Let somebody else say no, because more often than you would think, they will say yes.

Kerry Diamond:
Last question. If you had to be trapped on a desert island with one food celebrity, who would it be and why?

Liz Moody:
I'm trying to think of somebody who would have a really big breadth of knowledge, who's spoken to a lot of people, who's assimilated a lot of different types of knowledge and can utilize all of those different types. Rather than, what if you get somebody who specializes in French cuisine and then you end up on an island that doesn't have any of the ingredients that they're used to?

Kerry Diamond:
That's why we're letting you pick.

Liz Moody:
I would choose you. I think we'd have a lot of fun, I think we'd have some good conversations and I think you've spoken to every other food celebrity that I would choose and you've gotten all of their knowledge, so then you can use that to keep us alive.

Kerry Diamond:
I don't know. I don't know about that, Liz. I think you'd be the one keeping us alive, but I am touched that you picked me. I would definitely pick you. You'd figure out a way for us to have smoothies every morning on this desert island. I don't know how you'd do it, but I know you would manage to do it, and you would at least keep us alive food-wise. And maybe if we were lucky, we would get stranded with your deck of cards, so we'd never run out of things to talk about.

Liz Moody:
I keep one on me just in case, just in case of a plane crash.

Kerry Diamond:
In case of emergencies. If you order Liz's pack of cards, don't go anywhere without it. Anyway, Liz, you really are the bomb. You are just amazing and you're a gift to everybody. You're so giving of all this incredible advice through all your platforms, I can't thank you enough for all of that, and for your time today.

Liz Moody:
Thank you, right back at you. I'm such a fan of everything that you put out in the world and it was a joy to talk to you today.

Kerry Diamond:
Aw, thanks Liz. That's it for today's show. Thank you so much to Liz Moody for joining us. So much good advice from one awesome human. You can learn more about the world of Liz Moody on her website, lizmoody.com. Be sure to check out her shop, which features her healthier together card deck and her digital food guides, and don't forget you can join her green smoothie society over on Patreon. Thank you Territory Foods for supporting our show, stop by territoryfoods.com to learn more and check out our Instagram giveaway. If you're listening to our show on Apple podcast or Spotify or Stitcher, be sure to click follow. Go ahead, you can do it right now. You can also listen to our show on cherrybombe.com. Our theme song is by the and Tralala. Thank you to Hasan Moore, studio engineer for Newsstand Studios. And thank you to our assistant producer, Jenna Sadhu. And thanks to you for listening, you are the bombe.